The older .45LC Single Action Army pistols that had been decommissioned were tried and were found to provide the 1 shot stop that the military was looking for at that time. If I am more than 7 yards from my principal, I need to be shot. Will all your guns to me. Which would you c. Go figure. Mainstream 'science' wears a big red nose and size 30 boots. Sig can be whatever size you prefer (full, carry, compact etc). The Sig p238, and the Colt Govt. 2.) I'm thinking about getting a sidearm for hunting in bear country. Its barrel length of 3.78 inches and weights of 1.68 lbs (unloaded) and 2.10 lbs (fully loaded) make it one of the smallest pistols to fire .45 ACP rounds. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). I guess their safety isnt the AGs concern. The person who was shot sustained a permanent injury, loss of function in the right arm. and the Glock works just fine my 30 has never jammed on me. I understand both camps of thought and in all the years ive had them I still cant decide which I prefer. Fascinating. If operated within design parameters, it works well. However by not believing this one would have to forget about the 357 magnum and stick with 9mm for every purpose. This has no bearing on your test, just on the 'splits' issue. Robert do me a favor, he said. Same when comparing SIGsIm faster and more accurate with the P229 than the P220. If it is good enough for a police department, you know you can rely on it when you need it. I've owned the G30 Gen4 and the G30Sthe G30S to me feels much lighter and carries easier in my OWB holster (I bet it would be even better with an IWB) My preference is for Gen 4 Glocks, but if I had to buy a G30 right now, I'd have to go with the G30S, even though it's a Gen 3. LOADED: 960 g/33.89 oz. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 9mm is cheaper. Shooting the .45-caliber G30SF, I perforated the paper with a 6.5 group. Glock 30SF: The 30SF is a version of the Glock 30 that uses a Short Frame lower which is based on the standard G30 frame (same width), but reduces trigger reach from the back of the grip by 2.5 mm (0.098 in). G19V.3 Gray, G19FS.4, G19.4 Full Fde, G21.4 Gray, G22 (Gills).3, G43, Gray, G42, Black, CZ 75D PCR. Which means I might as well carry the .45-caliber G30SF to gain the advantages of larger bullet size (bigger holes) and lack of penetration (slower bullet). It is used by police and other law-enforcement agencies around the US and is a common sight among "Heavy Metal" 3Gun shooters, and backcountry bear hunters looking for a little backup. A police officer in Bryan, Texas, hit an innocent bystander with a stray round during a justifiable DGU last year. The loaded weight of the 30s is 3 oz. What is difficult for one may be comfortable and appropriate for another. I dont want to drop another 550 on a 40 cal piece Plus, the 9mm ammo is priced to shoot. Must be his massively developed forearms! It is the most popular cartridge used amongst criminals. Putting aside all the technical factors of shot placement, mag capacity, etc, the truth is that when the poop hits the propeller blades, youre being silly to worry about the 8th, 9th or successive shots. Tossing out a choice between three comparable pistols (in terms of size, capacity etc). Drag/drop and reorder the handguns to compare on top of eachother, New handguns and the best gun and ammo deals straight to your inbox, Striker-Fired Compact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, Striker-Fired Full-Sized Pistol Chambered in 10mm Auto. It became a favorite of most of the world probably without NATO. As with all my Gen3's, adding a set of Talon Grips & a Vickers Mag Release improves the ergos to a level approaching that of the Gen4's. You Asked For IT (YAFI) and FINALLY, here is the comparison of the Glock 30 Gen 4 (GEN4) versus the Glock 36 (basically a Gen 3 or GEN3). As I shoot twice weekly going through an average of 100 rnds per session I have actually found the PERFECT firearm for me. It is my EDC. Of course, my back-up mags are only 10. 2.5 lb trigger and a good grip and things can really speed up. Meanwhile, its back to the range. The real danger is that the only way I have found to get an FN 5.7 is through inheritance as I cant find any private sellers. Quick Cash Offer Get Offer We make you an quick cash offer online I know they started using the P226 in the 80s, but I thought they had dropped it for the HK45. The M-16 was issued without cleaning or lubricating supplies, either of which would cause fouling stoppages in short order. Probably better than I can shoot. And . Ill say right now this is a bit disingenuous. With that post,I declare the 2012 Olympic Caliber Debate Games Open! Glock 30S vs 19: Size Comparison - YouTube. . Once upon a time, I was at the range, refreshing my CCW skills, I got some unsolicited advice about how my little Ruger LCR loaded with .38 Spl +P Gold Dot was all but going to bouce off the crack head I might use it against. Well, think of it this way. With the 45 round being 2x+ heavier the penetration will be superior and more accurate over greater distance. It's only roughly 3cm taller than the G26 (eyeing it not actually measured). Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The .45ACP measures .452 across, weighs about 230 gr. Whoa. G19 can be whatever Gen you prefer. Youre gonna use the 19 and youre gonna get yourself killed. First, I was startled to hear that its only a matter of time before I use my gun to defend my life. 10+1 rounds of DoubleTap 10mm. The 9mm Parabellum measures .355 across, and usually weighs about 124 gr., and has approx. M1911A1 (.45 ACP) Army Its more . I can own a 4th gen glock but really cant WTH. They include: The Glock 19 uses the 9 mm round while the Glock 23 uses a .40 caliber round. I guess I am gonna have to go buy the G30S now so I can honestly and accurately answer your question. So his hit ratio was actually better with the .45 (8/9) than with the 9mm (8/10). It was pressed upon me that I could solve all that was wrong with my obviously flawed character if I just bought and carried a Glock 21. Glock 19X (G19X) Crossover handgun featuring a compact slide with a full sized frame, built with no finger grooves, Glock Marksman Barrel, ambidextrous slide stop, and comes in coyote color. The video shows that the .45 was waaaaay more flippy than the nine, and yet your accuracy was the same. I was told at great length why my LCR was worthless, my .38 Spl +P would all but bounce off the crack heat I might use them against, and how real men use a .45 ACP. Guess Ill just have to get a 2nd serpa holster . I ran a MA-compliant mag through both Glocks at five yards as fast as I possibly could, sight picture be damned. I need a picture with that comment. I concur, repeat the test as above. . How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? Im not saying this is the case with you, you just said a comment that I have heard all to often. One upon a time, I was at the range doing some CCW practice with my Ruger LCR. To your point, maybe a .40 caliber and also a 9mm barrel for range time would be a good compromise for someone who wants more than a 9mm, but is on a tight budget. If I were to choose between those two, I'd get the 30S. To me, in Texas, Im more interested in concealability in the hot summer weather. Being a responsible gun owner means proper training and to regular practice. Gen 4 Glocks have interchangeable backstraps to better fit the hand of the shooter, an enlarged and reversible magazine catch, a dual recoil spring to reduce felt recoil, and a rough textured frame to improve grip traction (bottom right). The Glock 19 has a slighter larger magazine capacity than the Glock 23. RFK was taken out by a .22 and Reagan almost lost his life to a .22 round. CC's well and comfortable with no printing. Two rounds off-target at five yards is two too many for me, even when firing as if Id forgotten everything I learned about slowing down and aiming. Why dont you just go ahead and carry 4 rounds in your magazine? Drag/drop and reorder the handguns to compare on top of eachother, New handguns and the best gun and ammo deals straight to your inbox, Striker-Fired Compact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 45 ACP. With the Glock 48, you're getting a pistol that's almost a quarter of an inch more slim than the Glock 19. It may be a situational call but if the objective is to stop the BG as soon as possible, then taking the extra 0.5 second to get it round on target seems like a wise thing to me. The width of the slide is 1.12". Not Glock O:(, not S&W O:(, Ruger O:( (? and travels at approx. Any other approach is merely for the sake of having an unproductive argument. When I got my 30S I posted a side by side size comparison (dunno if it was in this forum or another) with the 30s with the 9rd mag and the 10rd mag compared to my G26 and G19. The 26? Glock 17 (G17) Standard, Full-Size Handgun, Available in 3rd, 4th, in 5th Generation Models, Glock 17C (G17C) Full-Size Handgun with compensation system to reduce muzzle flip, Glock 17L (G17L) Long Slide, Competition Handgun, Glock 17 Gen 4 MOS (G17 Gen 4 MOS)Full Size, 4th Generation Full-Size Handgun with Modular Optic System (MOS), Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS FS (G17 Gen 5 MOS FS) Full Size, 5th Generation Full-Size Handgun with Modular Optic System (MOS), Glock 18(G18) Selective Fire Handgun developed for military/police use, Glock 19 (G19) Compact Handgun,Available in 3rd, 4th, in 5th Generation Models, Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS (G19 Gen 4 MOS) Compact,4th Generation Full-Size Handgun with Modular Optic System (MOS), Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS FS (G19 Gen 5 MOS FS) Compact,5th Generation Full-Size Handgun with Modular Optic System (MOS). That wasn't much help was it? Theres an exception for LEO sales, of course. Unlike All the rest of the web biters out there in that caliber. The Glock 19 earned its place as one of the most common choices among concealed carry handguns for over 20 years. But the one thing that keeps me from getting (another) 30/30S is the grip, it still feels fat to me. The Rabbi put forth a test to which more people should pay some heed. The 9mm parabellum is a high pressure round. If you thought it was ok to carry a 2 shot derringer, THEN I could see freaking the f out. Like what you see here? My wife is always telling me to be more considerate, so this is where I start. Law enforcement agencies often issue Compact models to officers with smaller hands and these models are relatively popular for concealed carry. Psa 5.7 Rock Pistol Optics Ready W/ Threaded Psa Dagger Compact 9Mm Pistol With Extreme Carry Rock Island 1911 Tactical 9Mm 5" 8Rd Pistol. Like the analysis, but Ill stick with my 9mm not because I disagree with anything in your research, but because I already own the G19 and I live in a state with no mag limit. As for chooing .45 ACP over 9mm, I know which gun id rather have if a genie told me id need a pistol at some undetermined point in the future. Cheaper ammo = more practice time. Likely 115gr 9mm, fast but little dwell inside the target because of it. Well, I live in Texas, so what could I do? Used to have a 36 but it had too many fte's for me to be comfortable with although it was 100 % with self defense loads, at the range with regular ball ammo was a different story. 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Skyler not to pick on you, but I hear this a lot from 9mm shooters: A .45 is usually just going to be too big.. Minute of Bad Guy) accuracy. the big bad .380. The Glock 29 and Glock 30 are remarkably similar in outside appearance. It measures 7.36" x 5.04" x 1.26" overall, with the Glock's "signature" boxy shape. Now before I tell you learned gentlemen what it is, I will tell what it is not. Website: http://ontargetreviews.me/Follow me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ontargetreviews/Follow me on Instagram: http://instagram.com/ontargetre. Glock G19 Striker-Fired Compact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price vs Glock G30 Gen4 Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 45 ACP Check Price Dimensions Details Capacity Dimensions Customary Metric Want to sell a firearm? I was lucky enough to find a pre-ban 13 rounder for my G23 that didnt cost an arm and a leg. I prefer the recoil of .45 to every other typical carry handgun round. Im sorry but 850 feet per second is pretty fast. The standard magazine holds 437,856 rounds, but theres also an extended capacity assault magazine available through the interwebs. Psa 5.7 Rock Pistol Optics Ready W/ Threaded Psa Dagger Compact 9Mm Pistol With Extreme Carry Rock Island 1911 Tactical 9Mm 5" 8Rd Pistol. If you live in a state with 10 round limit then why not g26.One of the best shooting guns. The G17 takes generous 17-round magazines and the 19 holds 15 rounds, meaning no compromises on capacity. Don't miss a story! He would shoot sub-seven second, 10 shot groups, that were well under 2 @ 25 yards as AIMED FIRE. The .38 Special measure .357 across and usually weigh about 158 gr and has approx. As a GLOCK owner, we want to make sure you have all the tools to protect your GLOCK pistol, and get the most out of it. As I must shoot one handed they, for me, are the perfect carry piece. Thats the entire reason that I created that drill. The difference with the 9rd mag is incredible. . These two differences aren't really that big of a deal. Expand your knowledge and make educated decisions to Which means I might as well carry the .45-caliber G30SF to gain the advantages of larger bullet size (bigger holes) and lack of penetration (slower bullet).. This is as good or silly a test as any, I suppose. As the name suggests, the Slimline models are the smallest Glock handgun models in production and utilize a single stack magazine which results in an extremely narrow frame at the cost of reduced magazine capacity. I have no issues whatsoever with the decision. Irresponsble Gun Owner of the Day: Andrew Seals, Houston: Four Armed Robbers Attempt Gas Station Heist, An Armed Customer Shoots Three, The New Henry Big Boy Revolvers at NRA Show 2023 [VIDEO], Vudoo Gun Works Unveils the New Priest Double Stack 1911. if there was a marked reduction in the size of the 9mm group, I would have suggested RF carry the 9mm. True, but things my life depend on are not areas that I like to cut cost on. There isn't really a world of difference between 15 rounds of 9mm vs. 13 rounds of .40 S&W. For years, both have been proven effective for self defense. Though they are all semi-automatic pistols, share a number of features (like their "Safe Action" safety system), and parts are interchangeable between certain Glock models, there is sometimes a significant difference between Glock pistols. Drum roll please, it is, (Are you ready for this?) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It is 186 mm (7.32 inches) long, with a barrel length of 114 mm (4.49 in) and a standard magazine capacity of 17. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Heres what you do . Just wanted to add my experience with the Glock 30. The longer grip of the 17 allows for a slightly longer magazine, which holds an additional 2 rounds bringing its mag capacity to 17 vs. 15 for the Glock 19. No. with an empty magazine. I don't carry mine but if I did, the 30s would be my choice. They just can. I can group a lot better with my GLOCK 17 than I can with the ranges sample GLOCK 21. . Glock introduced their 5th Generation (Gen 5) handguns in 2017. MEU(SOC) pistol (a modified 1911) (.45 ACP) MEU(SOC) Questions concerning what is manageable carry little value in this debate. My aimed fire became 10 12 seconds for a 10 shot string, and was about as good as I could shoot. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. If I could only keep one it would be the 30. Therefore, there are only two major differences to note between the Glock 19 and Glock 23. Glock 21 SF (G21 SF) Full-Size Handgun With Short Frame, Glock 21 Gen 4 (G21 Gen 4) Standard, Full-Size Handgun, Glock 30 Gen 4 (G30 Gen 4) Sub-Compact Handgun, Glock 30 SF (G30 SF) Sub-Compact Handgun With Short Frame, Glock 30S (G30S) Sub-Compact Handgun With Short Frame And Slim Slide, Glock 41 Gen 4 (G41 Gen 4)Modern Competition 4th Generation Handgun, Glock 41 Gen 4 MOS (G41 Gen 4 MOS)Modern Competition 4th Generation Handgun with Modular Optic System (MOS). Shooting the 9mm G19, I hollowed-out a 6.5 group. Both are chambered. It took buying my own new albeit nothing fancy 1911 to finally get past my negative bias. I have the opportunity to pick up either a Glock 19 or a Glock 30, in Gen4. Note: recoil, who has the bigger package size 45 vs 9, the G19 is simply slimmer and will conceal nicer. I have a 30s and think I would prefer the 30sf because of the thicker slide. "Robert do me a favor," he said. The Glock 19 is a semi-automatic pistol designed and manufactured since 1988 by Glock for military and police forces. Even if you have 17 rounds it wont last very long shooting at that rate.Thats why one must practice to hit what you aim at, by shooting slowly. Maybe not quite 9mm soft, but almost. Ive shot both of these too, though not in a deliberate test as here. Glock 29SF. And to be sure, I meant that as a comment on how hard it can be to control a pistol sometimes, not as an insult. When was the last time that there was a legal DGU with collateral damage and the shooter was prosecuted? For those who want to carry a 45acp that's just as easy to concealed, t. COPYRIGHT 2023, WOMG. I was just going to read these posts for their entertainment and educational value, and then ST had to push my button. My son has the G30S as his primary off-duty carry. . Rest assured I do not consider spray and pray a suitable self-defense strategy. 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