Told them the gap would be more pronounced because of color and can't really fill them with the seasonal movements. Oil or WS Easy? Such great detail and info. If different, what sealing product will go with above. 5. I dont want to stain and I dont want dull floor. My concern was the waterborne products not making the grain pop like an oil based product. The first night we slept on the floors our dog got sick and my daughter didnt notice the mess until noon the next day. For 2K, they will need to lay down the finish within highly specific parameters in order to get a smooth, durable surface since 2K begins to flash dry extremely quickly. A primer is not required, however, LOBA 2K Invisible Protect can be applied over all Loba sealers, primers, and LOBA Stain. I used Loba EasyPrime with 2K Supra AT and felt the color of the wood stayed very close to the original with these coatings. The Australian poster has still not commented on whether the metal cans of hardener were used as well. The highest one is 50g/liter compared to oil based finishes that are around 500g/liter and Glitsa that has 725g/liter. I also save $200 if I go to oil, but since the last finish lasted 14 years I really dont care about the $200. This will depend on whether the stairs are the same type of wood as the floor and a few other factors. Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: LOBA GmbH & Co. KG, Leonbergerstr. No idea how many coats or wait time etc What I can answer is everything else, when we moved back in, when spots appeared etc The other issue I think we will encounter is responses from the Australian Loba reps. Its about 35 2 x 2 tables. He said Loba Invisible AT does not need a sealer. Would love to know if youve ever used this combo! However, the idea of pre-finished flooring is preferable because finish-in-place would mean that we would not be able to use the living space at all for a period of time, and we would have to move ALL of the furniture out of the hose during this time. I worried about it before I started. He left the Loba bottle behind but nothing else & has stopped all communication with us since all issues arose. Would the Pallmans Magic Oil be a good choice for us? No we havent had issues with white lines using Loba. Its water based so it doesnt smell anywhere near as bad. We sanded our oak floors two years ago to remove the oil-based stain and finish them with a Loba product I believe was Optifinish Satin. We paid a contractor to do the job he didnt share or show us the product he used. We are looking to refinish the exiting floors and add matching site-finished white oak in the kitchen. Yes Provincial is a nice color and will make your floors stand out against all of that Golden Oak. If water drops or splashes on a fresh finish that has NOT FULLY CURED (cured means FULLY HARDENED) then a water mark can occur. They can be tricky to apply and you need to have a lot of speed as they are fast drying. That ONE irritant will be removed from your home. The oil then is buffed in and then buffed off. As suggested above, the HARDENER is a metal tin that is 1/10th the size of the big jug. A flooring professional would test the moisture content of the raw wood prior to finish application, but that may be beyond your desire to pursue as it requires a specialized tool. A hair. If you are a poster trying to get solutions here in this thread, which is an old one, please understand that it is usually better to start your own new thread and especially so when multiple people are seeking counsel simultaneously in the same thread about separate problems. Please LIVE your life while you wait for some suggestions from the Loba people (remember: Germany has a 5 WEEK WINTER BREAK) after the NEW YEAR. 2. After years of testing all the leading hardwax oil finishes we have decided to offer 2 options (depending on the look, color and sheen you are hoping for) Pallmann Magic Oil (our #1 choice) followed by Rubio Monocoat. (We will be staining our oak strip floors a medium brown/gunstock color.) We cant even vacuum our floors with our new ( and expensive) hand free Dyson as it leaves permanent track marks. 2 Nr. My projects also involved about an hour working with the wet 2K catalyzed products; the fumes were very strong even with an N95 mask and open windows, and I was applying the coating in cold weather which meant the cure time was speeding up against the outside air compared to warmer inside air. 3. But like you, I do wish it was available too. My front windows have shield under a covered porch so im not worried about rain getting in. London approx. 3. You should be able to match the sheens pretty closely though so that wont be a concern. It is too shiny for our liking! 35K views 3 years ago If you want a natural hardwood floor look, check out Loba's Invisible Protect at City Floor Supply! They have the specialized equipment needed to deal with this situation. Bona NordicSeal is a sealantnot a finish. There will be one final coat applied after some final touches are made with transition pieces in certain areas. I think you might be able to get the finish tested to prove this theory and then legally pursue payment with damages and court fees covered if he does not take responsibilty. The protective surface finish provided by 2K InvisibleProtectA.T. Eg. You have to special order it. Loba WS 2K Invisible is a two component waterborne polyurethane finish that delivers excellent performance in either commercial or domestic timber flooring situations. Red oak is less likely to present with tannin pull stains under a waterborne coating that is white oak. We are in Georgia, so its hot and humid most of the time. You need just the right mil thickness to allow both durability and flexibility, and that turns out to be around 4 coats (primer plus 3 topcoats) at around 3 to 4 mil each. For finish, either system would work. Bona NaturalSeal will allow a SNICK of yellow. And you should have 5 days to get 99% cure. It did not increase the shine but enhanced the color and graining in a way hard wax or conventional finishes dont. I just found your blog and it has been such a tremendous help! The Invisible AT has 'issues' with showing +++foot prints (bare foot, socks AND rubber soled shoes). I would caution against roller substitutions, because even the best 3/8" or 5/16" microfiber rollers from other companies like Wooster tend to leave occasional fuzz in the 2K. Weitere Informationen finden Sie in unseren Datenschutzhinweisen (https://staging.loba.de/de_de/datenschutz) Ihre Einwilligung in die Speicherung der Cookies und den Zugriff darauf erfolgt nach 25 Abs. We knew we had some subfloor issues to address in this older home in Sugarhouse, but when we stripped all of the old layers of flooring back to the original subfloor, what we found was the worst subfloor I have seen in the 16 years I have been doing hardwood floors. As long as you have had HVAC running for as long as possible after the flooring was installed and prior to coating (a few weeks, ideally), you will probably be fine. 1 S. 1 TTDSG Empfnger der Daten: Google LLC, Alphabet Inc. (beide USA) bermittlung in Drittstaaten: Ja Manahme nach Art. The ingredients are listed as alcohol, anti-skinning agent, dispersion of polyurethane in water, micro wax, silicic acid, and silicone. It sounds like your refinisher has more knowledge with the Bona system. If youre open to a non-conventional finish approach, appreciate the many benefits they offer and can live with the minor downsides, then one of the two hardwax oil systems above could be perfect for your home. Obviously they take a beating from foot traffic, spills and cleaning (1-2 times daily), which finish would you recommend? THIS IS THE PRODUCT you want to look at. Hi Tadas, Thanks for the great info. I'm in Canada and have sold cork flooring (yescork) to New Zealand and a few times to Australia. So sorry I really am late with this reply! I would say go for a good quality high-end finish for your floors so they last a long time, and match them as best you can to the stairs. 13.a. Weve been using Pallmann for many years now and have completed close to 100 projects with their waterbased finish systems in the last 12 months. 1,800sf of Brazilian cherry hardwood floors and have been getting estimates. If you have children or other people in the house, it would be a smart move to have them leave the home while fumes are active.Tannin is a brown-colored chemical compound that resides in wood and some other organic matter, and it can be pulled to the surface and stain wood when exposed to water or waterborne coatings. It is cheaper to repair/recoat a floor like yours than it is to go to court and lose. But this is a good thing too because if you stay on top of the maintenance schedule you potentially will never have to sand your floors again. AT or WB easier to apply if never used the product? We have loba invisible on our white oak floors and they truly look like they are unfinished. Im sure he wants the same as his name will be attached to your floor. to have provincial windows with oak cabinets and railings or should the windows stay golden oak and only have the provincial (darker) color on the floor. The almost invisible layer is also extremely scratch resistant, thanks to the use of high-quality raw materials. I am using the semi-gloss sheen of the 2K Supra AT, and I think it looks fairly low-gloss in most lights. 6 Abs. The most current products are being made with stickers on sturdy, one-gallon jugs. I have a big question, and since you are experienced with Loba products, I hope you can help. You can see the results of our months of testing and more detailed information about these finishes here: Pallmann Magic Oil original review and the 2023 update. When these homeowners remodeled their home 10 years ago, we replaced the wood floors on the main level of the home since the original wood floors were too thin to refinish. I think it will last much longer with constant bleaching vs a polyurethane finish. Because hardwax oils dont form a plastic film that sits on top of the floor surface, it makes them far easier to spot repair than surface finishes if you ever do any damage to them. Biggest concerns are water resistance, able to be cleaned well (occasionally with bleach), and scratch/abrasion resistance. :). Any experience you can share to help choose between the two-component DuraSeal and Loba Supra finish. It kind of defeats the purpose of the Invisible Protect. However, when I asked several of the contractors, who came to give me estimates, about it, they all warned against using water based poly over a stained wood because of the chance that it would develop the white lines in the gaps between the boards. I see a lot of you all did use the ws primer still, is it not recommended to skip the primer with the invisible AT? Apply 3rd/final coat of product to the floor (should be 'afternoon' of day 3 or 4!!! It has exceptional scratch protection and elasticity (so it works with your hardwood's movement when the humidity changes). I would not recommend this with a red floor like yours. For a first timer I think Rubio Monocoat would be easier. Thanks for any recommendations you can give! We are almost certainly not going to use a water-based poly again due to the fear of the elasticity causing the white line effect again in the gaps and eventually peeling. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (_pk_id, pk_ref, pk_ses) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, [bitte weitere benennen, soweit bekannt] Rechtsgrundlage: Art. I love it in the daylight (western exposure) but at night when it's just my (3000k led) lights it's looking a little yellow. The finish will need to be ordered from a source outside of Australia.If, it is not available there. retains the natural look and feel of Loba GmbH & Co. KG| Leonberger Str. No enhancement or intensification of the light colour of the wood, the original colour is retained. Thanks Mike. He should be able to answer all your questions. If so, how many coats of seal and finisher? Just as important as your intercoat abrasion grit level (which should be 180 or similar) is your re-coat window. The 'Bona' Directions are for a VERY different Bona product line. If you are going with Bona then you will probably have to sand everything down to the raw wood and start again.yahnot fun but it is the most responsible way to ensure a properly bonded finish. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookie (fe_typo_user) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: keine Rechtsgrundlage: 25 Abs. That was the customers wish on this project. I hear you. As you can see, there is a huge variety of colors and shades and mixes available with hardwax oils. @Aglitter Thank you for taking the time to respond with recommendations and explanations, it is greatly appreciated. As much as the floor is grippy for socks and such to make it non-slip, it also is grippy for grime. If this is used, then there is no need to add a sealant to a sealant. Hope that helps and your project goes well. Personal experience from a long time experienced refinisher that continually tests different products and has a different finish system in every room of his home as well as his friends homes is about the best data you can get for the time being at least until we can afford a couple of scientists, a lab and years of free time :). I love the graphics, too! Do you find yourself LOVING the look of a freshly cleaned floor because it looks shiny? 49 Abs. The WHEEL marks of the vacuum would have done the same thing over the same time period. It comes ultra matte. One that we use and recommend has zero VOCs. Also my flooring guy has only used waterbased finish 1 time in his 19+ years of flooring. Your email address will not be published. You have a helper, you have watched the tutorial, and if you are working with almost anything other than white oak, your chances are strong that Invisible Protect will work as designed without primer. Scan this QR code to download the app now. When we discovered that the base plate was thinner than our wood flooring and not able to be sanded, the homeowners and I literally sat on the floor and played around with flooring and nosing pieces to come up with a plan. The Nordic Seal is the sealant. They have a lot of things going for them over conventional surface finishes. Loba Supra AT is a very tough finish as well. One more thing about that Loba packaging, I cannot see how that would be from any recent batch of Loba 2K Invisible AT. But I also want to be able to apply new oil in areas that need freshening up a bit, like the kitchen. You may also want to look into investing in this finish system if you have old antique hardwood floors that have been sanded and refinished many times before and now dont have a lot of wood left to sand. If he left a jug of base behind, he should have left some hardener too. @SJ McCarthy suggested putting another layer of Loba 2K finish on top of what you have, for which you'd need to sand and probably use Loba WS 2K Contact first, but if what you have is already uncatalyzed, it may not hold up well due to not providing enough hardness for the initial layers. However, most other coatings would wear the same or worse, and there are ways to protect flooring that should be utilized as much as possible to lengthen the life of the coating. Hello, Tadas! 49 Abs. FIRST DAMP CLEANING ALLOWED = 14+ days after FINAL COAT. This causes a white blemish which is UNMOVEABLE.because it is BELOW the layer of finish (sandwiched between the two actually). It was oil poly before and there was fresh bb's . 6 Abs. Six of my wood floor panels popped up as much as 3 inches. We dont use Loba EasyFinish anymore as we have upgrades to Hybrid A.T. for our single component finish system. I just noticed the care brochure is for a different product. could this also be the issue? You have a BUFF mark. @Aglitter I have red oak and i did also buy 2 coats worth of the whitner. 5. If, you have ever rolled Nordicseal, Natiuralseal, and poly shade successfully. I hope you have the time and are able to answer soon as I can not seem to get many solid answers from Rubio. For normally and particularly heavily trafficked floors. When I first met these homeowners in 2014, their original hardwood floors were too thin to refinish. Lots of confusing information out there! I was blatantly told to take it up with the contractor & Fair Trading (Australian Consumer Affairs Regulators).grrr sad face crying face. Best Finish For The Most Natural Looking White Oak Floors Mommy To Max. One warning, and that is because this is a two-part (2K), catalyzed coating, it will start to skin over and dry very, very quickly and leave applicator marks if you don't lay it down fast, then walk off and leave it alone. 49 Abs. I have a red oak floor waiting to be finished. The downsides if you love super glossy finishes then hardwax oils wont make the cut.